Manny Pacquiao and the definition of shameless (updated!)
15 April 2007 at 12:52 pm | In History | 87 Comments[NOTE TO THE READER: While the discussion remains open, I have stated some concluding remarks in this post.]
How do we define shameless? (Sa Filipino, walang hiya.)
- “Vote Manny Pacquiao” signs on top of a Filipino flag during an international, televised sporting event.
- Cheers of “Congressman!” after winning via knockout in round 8.
- And most shockingly, the announcer who raised Pacman’s hand included “congressional candidate” in his declaration!
[NOTE: If you have other notions of 'shameless', join the debate here.]
I’m tempted to scream, “Go to Hell, Manny Pacquiao.” But I didn’t. He’s headed into Philippine politics anyway, a fate worse than hell.
(I hope the Filipino voter has become unpredictable and proves me wrong.)
All this however is really shameful. While it can be argued that allowing a boxing hero to run for a legislative seat is democratic par excellance, this match also showed the world at large what kind of democracy we have — one where it is possible for someone unprepared for politics to become its champion.
It is clear that I don’t have much love for the Pacman. Furthermore, I fear for his political career. Read the following essay for my reasons why:
Here is an excerpt:
He is unequipped, unprepared and unrealistic if he thinks that he can take on the task of legislating laws for the country with but an honest passion, a fresh high school diploma, and a boxing championship.
Is it possible that this isn’t a choice he made? That is what scares me even more.
There will never be too many people in this country willing to take advantage of the popularity of the Pacman, and in that case he isn’t that different from a billboard. He’s advertising space and boosted revenue. People listen to him, and advertisers are only too eager to cash in. Where once there was a hero, there is only a poster boy. People rush to be like the Pacman and interested parties from businessmen to clergy to politicians, rush to make a killing.
But to be fair, I wouldn’t want to totally discredit his good intentions to make a difference — if indeed to run is his choice. If he insists on ’serving his people’ through politics, I would recommend to Mr. Pacquiao that he takes on an executive position in the local level. Running for mayor would actually be fine (but not entirely alright), while going for governor might be too much to soon. Considering his line of work, local concerns will be more manageable for him.
But congressman? Not now. National politics is a different beast. And though he can outlast 12 rounds of boxing, Philippine politics will eat him alive.
Join the discussion on exactly why the Pacman should or shouldn’t run in this post here.
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Sir, I doubt he’ll win in the elections.
The people of his district still think that he is not that capable of being a legislator.
Yay.
Comment by Jejo — 15 April 2007 #
I lost my respect for Manny Pacquiao the moment he said he would run. My cousin said that Manny Pacquiao would probably lose this fight on purpose so that he could gain a sympathy vote.
I didn’t know “Oh, I’m sorry you lost as a sportsman, I’ll put you in charge of my district” is sound logic. Wait, who said our electoral system is based on logic anyway?
Comment by aslancross — 15 April 2007 #
The only thing that would still save a BIT of my respect for Manny would be if he loses the elections…
Comment by Josh — 15 April 2007 #
Jejo, I know that. That is what the people who think say. How about the rest? It is a guarantee that behind Manny Pacquiao’s political ambitions are a cabal of people waiting to maximize the opportunity. I’m sure, in his deepest heart, Pacquiao wants only what is best for his people. However, his status opens him up for this sort of politicking and manipulation. That for me is the tragedy.
Comment by Sir Martin — 15 April 2007 #
Joey, I thought of the sympathy vote angle too. Now that would be just shameful.
Comment by Sir Martin — 15 April 2007 #
Josh, I would like to believe our people are capable of choosing the right people. In a democracy, we get what we deserve.
Comment by Sir Martin — 15 April 2007 #
Sometimes I think Manny is better off in the Congress than his rival, Darlene Custodio. I’m not quite sure with this though.
Comment by Patrick — 15 April 2007 #
Well, at least he won. That leaves the sympathy vote angle out. Still, it’s disgusting how this fight became politically charged. I wonder how the foreigners feel watching this.
Comment by aslancross — 15 April 2007 #
but sir i still don’t get why you said, “Go to hell, Manny Pacquio.” hindi naman niya kasalanan un pagkathrust nia sa politics… unless he wants that to happen.
Comment by jestine — 15 April 2007 #
sports and politics? hmmm…buti na lang wala na yung mga politicos hanging around (read nasa background)while Pacquiao is being interviewed. That is shameful!
Comment by cyberbaguioboy — 15 April 2007 #
Jestine, exaggeration on my part. I agree that it isn’t his fault to go into politics, as I’ve mentioned in my article. Also, if you didn’t catch it, I equated hell with Philippine politics.
Comment by Sir Martin — 15 April 2007 #
CBB, maybe the Comelec banned them? HAHAHAHA!
Comment by Sir Martin — 15 April 2007 #
I’m praying for his loss.
That humbling experience should really test his character.
Comment by emperorbananaketchup — 15 April 2007 #
EBK, I agree. This will also test the character of his millions of fans.
Comment by Sir Martin — 15 April 2007 #
yes they’re banned actually! haha.
Comment by cyberbaguioboy — 15 April 2007 #
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well it was the right word to describe it “walanghiya” so much for the love of manny. he is better off in sports than going into politics and by the way in a democracy we should get what we truly deserve, not what our country is in right now. manny should think time and again going into politics will earn him a lot, not praises or accolades but the exact opposite and those people who are behind this manny running for office shame on you people!! kayo ang walanghiya!
Comment by karl — 15 April 2007 #
Desperado lang kayo kasi tiyak na talo na si Darlene Antonino-Custodio. Mababawasan ang pro-impeachment Congressmen, harharhar!
Comment by kabataang makabayan — 15 April 2007 #
Just let him do things he want. Democracy tells us that anybody can run. If we are going to criticize election process whatever, why single out Pacquiao? How about corrupt officials who continue to dominate politics? How about political dynasty? (mother and son in the senate etc.) Pacquiao has the heart and is determined in doing things. At the very least, he has the heart. Let us be fair, if we are going to speak flaws in politics, we must discuss others( cayetano, escudero, trillanes) who are running just to grab power. Imagine trillanes winning..It’s better to see pacquiao helping people than seeing a government infiltrated by insane and psychotic individuals.
Comment by AkoRin — 15 April 2007 #
Pacquiao wins the hearts of people worldwide. If his countrymen, specifically his provincemates in Mindanao, reject him in the May elections then that would be shameful for this country.
Just imagine, the very person who is adored by the world being rejected by his fellow Filipinos in an election where his only objective is to serve the people.
Comment by kabataang makabayan — 15 April 2007 #
I agree with AkoRin.
Escudero and Cayetano will be Senators of this country come July 2007. But what have they really done for our people? Nothing! Nothing at all!
Comment by kabataang makabayan — 15 April 2007 #
Why not difining “shameless” to trapo politician. Mataas nga pinag-aralan nila (unlike Manny) pero milyon2 naman ang kinukurakot sa bayan. Let’s give chance to Manny to prove himself. You don’t know exactly the problems and sentiments to the people of Mindanao especially to the General Santos City. Let the people speak and choose the best candidate they are trusting.
Comment by nyl — 15 April 2007 #
To AkoRin and KM,
His aspiration to serve the country is noble, however democracy isn’t about the aspirations of one man. Sure he can run to his heart’s content, but what can he really offer the people besides his good intentions? He has served our nation more than he can imagine by being the champion boxer he is.
His transition into politics would’ve been smoother after his retirement, or if he kept a different, less interested political company. I advise you to read my essay which is posted above.
Thanks and cheers.
Comment by Sir Martin — 15 April 2007 #
Nyl, of course that is shameless too although that is not the subject of this particular post. Of course I would love to let the people speak for themselves, but I’m not holding my breath.
Comment by Sir Martin — 15 April 2007 #
Ang tunay na walanghiya ay ang pamilya Escudero at Antonino na ayaw ipacover sa Repormang Agraryo ang malawak na lupain nila sa Sorsogon at Sarangani. Milyon-milyon ang pork barrel at ang laki ng kanilang komisyon sa mga proyekto nito.
Comment by kabataang makabayan — 15 April 2007 #
KM, Of course they’re shameless too but let’s not change the topic now. All eyes are on the Pacman.
Comment by Sir Martin — 15 April 2007 #
I say let’s support Manny Pacquiao’s bid for Congressman in South Cotabato, if only to stop land-grabbing. If he wins, then let’s petition him to support agrarian reform in his province.
Panahon nang wakasan ang political dynasty sa bayan na ito, at simulan natin ito sa mga lalawigan.
Comment by kabataang makabayan — 15 April 2007 #
Alright, sounds great. Thanks!
Comment by Sir Martin — 15 April 2007 #
I agree Nyl. Shameless is to Trapo politicians who talk so much, done nothing except for their personal interest. Sometimes intelligence is not essential, we all agree that there are exceptions in this world. Manny might not be the author of an exceptional legislation but he can help build his chosen district by doing exceptional projects for the people. I’ve seen many with “intelligence” who failed many times in helping others but succeeded in making their lives the way they want it at the expense of lots of people…
Comment by AkoRin — 15 April 2007 #
I will rather vote for Manny than Darlene. Ano ba nagawa ni Darlene? In Congress and to the people in South Cotabato?
I saw Manny’s interview and I saw his sincerity in helping his people in South Cotabato, what’s wrong with that? Education? Goodness…kaya nga nagkakaluko luko ang Kongreso natin dahil sa marami ang matatalino at magagaling…ngumawa ng ngumawa!
Let him be. Let us see what he can do in Congress…we might be surprised.
Comment by 3rd — 15 April 2007 #
I totally disagree with akomismo. Let me ask you Sir, which is more shameless to you, a mutineer or a jailed criminal who still has the guts to run for higher elected office of our country or a boxer who has been giving honor and pride to our nation?I dont know why you people are giving much fuzz about Manny’s desire to become a politician. If he is not suited and ready for this kind of career so what??? Is he the only one? Look around you people and you can see lots of unwanted politicians who are enjoying the supposed to be seats for equipped and suitable people to serve our country.Why singled out Manny? After all he is very much eligible to run for any position he wants based on our constitution.You dont need this kind of propaganda against a person running for office whose only mistake is him being a less educated boxer. Better address your shame campaign to the oppositionists cause they are the true opportunists…
Comment by Buddy Lopez — 15 April 2007 #
Buddy Lopez,
I never said the oppositionists weren’t, but I am opening the debate as to whether Manny Pacquiao is or isn’t. So far, I like the input I’m getting especially from those who disagree.
By singling out Manny, I’m not taking the heat off anyone else. I’ve just chosen to focus on the boxer, that’s all. So let’s talk about him and his upcoming political career. I’ll let the other bloggers duel over the other candidates.
So how about the other candidates who are just as incapable as Manny? No. Let’s not go there. It’s Manny we’re talking about. Don’t change the topic.
One mistake to make is to not consider Manny’s candidacy as an issue. It is. He may not be corrupt or a trapo, but there are other layers at work here. I won’t say more here though. I suggest you read my essay on The Fall of Manny Pacquiao for you to see what I have for and against the Pacman.
Cheers and thanks for the comment!
Comment by Sir Martin — 15 April 2007 #
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Who are we to decide whether the PACMAN should run
for congress?
Let it be!
Comment by The Blue Thunder — 15 April 2007 #
Who are we? The people who will vote him eventually. Good luck.
Comment by Sir Martin — 15 April 2007 #
The whole congress is a circus anyway.
Comment by Thomas Cruz — 15 April 2007 #
You sound as if there is hope in Mister Estrada.
Comment by Thomas Cruz — 15 April 2007 #
I agree with Sir Martin. It is indeed a shame how most Filipinos choose their local hopes- from actors to comedians and now to possibly a boxer.
I agree too with Buddy Lopez, Akorin & KB that indeed it is likewise a shame that trapos & political hoodlums get elected.
But sticking with the issue on hand, I suggest we let Manny do what he wants. And let his local followers decide. We are after all a democracy.
If Manny wins, then maybe Buddy Lopez, KB & Akorin would like to lobby Manny to file a bill not only on agrarian reform in GenSan but also a bill Manny will entitle: The Knock-Out Bill.
Main provision is for him to punch any congressman who’ll talk senselessly & collect pork barrel for his interest.
Oh, di ba wagi tayong lahat!
Cheers!
Comment by Eaglebird — 15 April 2007 #
Eaglebird, now that is a fantastic idea. Go Knock Out Bill!
Comment by Sir Martin — 15 April 2007 #
By the way, if Manny loses, then maybe he will record his next song. A version of his original …para sa ‘yo.
It’ll go : Dahil sa ‘yo, natalo ako (2X).
Di ako susuko (2X). Lahat kayo gugulpihin ko….Dahil sa ‘yo,
Comment by Eaglebird — 15 April 2007 #
Hehehe Knock Out Bill!
Okay yun a. Hmmmnn maybe I should start campaigning for him…too bad am not from his district.
I just hope the Antonino dynasty will finally fall.
Gen. Santos City was used to be called a Boom City…now, it’s a KABOOM! City.
Comment by toto — 15 April 2007 #
Eaglebird, benta ka sa akin. Sobra! Hahaha!
Comment by Sir Martin — 15 April 2007 #
Well, Sir Martin..
Your blog article on “The Fall of Manny Pacquio” was very well written.
I admire your pov- presents both sides & unbiased. And just shooting/provoking thoughts straight from the mind….
Looking forward to more articles.
Cheers!
Comment by Eaglebird — 15 April 2007 #
Thanks for the kind words. Browse the blog and I’m sure you’ll find more from where that came from.
Comment by Sir Martin — 15 April 2007 #
Let’s give him a chance, Guy’s. Who knows he will do better than our traditional politicians.
Comment by Marlboro — 15 April 2007 #
There is nothing wrong for anyone, they be boxer or not, of running for office. This is a free country after all.
What is wrong is when a person is being used by others to pushed for their own personal and political interest–and that the person has indirectly or give acquissence to it. Be it because of his naiveness or something, it can never be an excuse.
In politics, to prove your sincerity of serving to people goes beyond educational achievements, diplomas–but of how a person maintains and strongly fight for his own conviction and beliefs–and not of what others tell him he should do.
That latter is where Manny is extremely vulnerable that is why his running for office remains questionable and raise eyebrows to others.
His running for office, and in case he won in election, would put an end to generations of political dynasty in my hometown. It has both negative and potive implications. Me too I had mixed emotion of his decision to run for office…but it is not me that decides for who should represent his district–it is his constituents.
And to pass on judgement to a person based on our limited knowledge of who he is, and on what the intelectuals tells us who he is, and without giving him benefit of the doubt…is also unlikely.
Anybody who is an outsider of my hometown should know that the least person they felt they had attachment with–is Manny. Unless a person or group is able to challenge this deep-rooted mentality and symphaty not only Manny but the people who believes and whome he gained trust with are also offended.
Of course it doesn’t include me.
If voting for Manny ends political dynasty then so be it. But if voting for Manny would drag my hometown into chaos–it’s another thing. To which I am oblige to share my thought what to do and let the people decides.
Comment by dan — 15 April 2007 #
It’s really a complicated issue. We will never know whether he is truly sincere or not. But the bottom line is, sincere or not, qualified or not, it will be the votes of the people who will decide who wins. So it is not Pacquiao’s fault. The outcome of the upcoming elections will not be decided by one man alone; it will be the voters.
Comment by li9htwave — 15 April 2007 #
the whole world (o sige, the whole country) is watching on Manny Pacquiao and the political chapter on his life even though there’s only one district who will vote for him. Truly, one person can make a difference…
I agree with all of you
Comment by Iel — 16 April 2007 #
edit: political chapter OF his…
It would be great if one blogger from Pacman’s district would be able to tell his view[SubmissionError]
Comment by Iel — 16 April 2007 #
“This is what: Manny’s rise into Congress will signal his downfall. He is unequipped, unprepared and unrealistic if he thinks that he can take on the task of legislating laws for the country with but an honest passion, a fresh high school diploma, and a boxing championship.”– The Fall of Manny Pacquiao
Just a thought, what does it take to legislate a law? Do you need a degree in making a law? Do you need to create a “new” law anyway? I remember a scene from the Juan Tamad at Mister Shooli sa Mongolian Barbecue The Movie. Juan Tamad was asked what are the laws that he will create. He replied, “Wala”. The people were surprised and began asking him why. Then he answered, something like this (I forgot the exact lines), “Marami na tayong batas, meron na tayong 10 utos ni Bathala, nasusunod nyo ba?” Ikaw ba nasusunod mo? Eh ikaw?”, pointing from one villager to another. The villagers were mum. “Oh, bakit pa ako gagawa ng panibago, eh di nyo naman nasusunod yun meron na?”
Reality check. We have lots of intelligent lawmakers (past and present), bar topnotchers, Masters and Phd degree holders, graduated with honors from universities outside the country. What are the laws that they legislated? Are they beneficial to our country and countrymen? (changing names of street, bridges, etc, declaring new holidays, etc). Are they being implemented? (anti smoking bill!) Remember most of our laws are disregarded/ignored/neglected by their creators themselves. They just create them for their resume to be used for elections. There are no perfect laws, there are loopholes, intended or not. They are recognized/discovered during their implementation, mostly on the judicial court.
Remember Erap’s lone law in the Senate, The Carabao Bill? Most people laughed about it. I’m not a supporter nor a fan, but I think it is one of the meaningful laws we have. If Manny wins, he could create a law for athletes. We expect so much from our athletes during competitions but we offer them nothing. Moral support? Yeah, tell that to them and their families’ empty stomach.
I’m not justifying Pacquiao’s bid, or any other showbiz personality dream of serving the country by becoming a politician. It’s just a reaction to what was quoted above. You need discipline and passion to turn our country around. What we need is someone who has the will to do it, a political will. As the saying goes, “if there’s a will, there’s a way”. Don’t ever underestimate the heart of a champion!
Tanong lang, ano ba yun mga ipinangako ni Darlene bago siya naihalal? Natupad ba niya ang mga ito? Hindi ko alam, di naman ako taga Gen San. Sila na ang magsasabi nun sa eleksyon…
Comment by sonnym — 16 April 2007 #
Displaying the Philippine flag with any marking is prohibited under Republic Act No. 8491. So is singing Lupang Hinirang other than the musical arrangement and composition of Julian Felipe. The National Anthem when played at a public gathering, whether by a band or by singing or both, must be done with fervor and not on the whim of the singer.
Pacquiao should stop these shameless and illegal display of the Philippine Flag and singing of Lupang Hinirang.
Comment by Apong Jess — 16 April 2007 #
Dan, thanks for that nice insight. Politics is indeed a gamble and a risk. On one hand, it’s not mine to make but it doesn’t make it any easier.
Comment by Sir Martin — 16 April 2007 #
Iel, you’re right. Pacquiao’s candidacy is a commentary on a lot of things. A lot of the comments have a local POV, and am still browsing through Technorati for a GenSan blogger.
Comment by Sir Martin — 16 April 2007 #
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Pingback by Some last words on Pacquiao's next fight « Akomismo 1.02 — 16 April 2007 #
A friend of mine from Polomolok which is on the same congressional district as Gensan said that although he is great fan of Manny (at nakapagpa-autograph pa!) he wouldn’t vote for him. He said this was a common sentiment among his friends and people in this area.
Comment by Bamm — 16 April 2007 #
Surely your friend from Polomolok must have heard how the Pacman gambles- from billiard to cockfighting to basketball.
Manny has become a very smart businessman too. I can’t blame him as he is doing the right things for his business. He knows that one day, someone’s gonna knock his living daylights… might as well gobble up all the marbles.
His just concluded fight is an example – ABSCBN just turned down Pacman’s fee of USD 1.5M tv rights to air his just concluded fight. He’s lucky GMA7 got it ( must be a much lower fee).
Some people, either in national or local government, Manny’s influence and potential to turn garbage into gold; and dreams to reality. They likewise saw Manny’s vulnerability in doing & gobbling business.
But whether it be to break a dynasty or help fullfill a dream…I’d say amen to Sir Martin’s…goodluck!
Comment by Eaglebird — 16 April 2007 #
I would rather see manny pacquiao loss in his bid for congressman than having manny pacquiao in the congress. he can help other people not just by running into politics and there are lot of ways. kawawa naman ang mga taga bansang pinas, lalo na yung taga-gensan. wala ng bang ibang pwedeng tumakbo para congressman? tingin ko, mas qualified pa si sir martin kesa kay manny. baka pag napikon si manny sa congress, sapakin niya si cayetano, pag sinapak niya yun, babarilin siya ni trillanes. tapos, aawatin ni mike defensor. cool lang manny, si boss na bahala dyan.
Comment by netcracker — 16 April 2007 #
Pwede din ‘yon basta i-pass muna ni Manny yung ” Knock Out Bill” niya sa congress…it will be his 2nd legislation after Argrarian Reform in GenSan.
Good-bye!
Comment by Eaglebird — 16 April 2007 #
ive been hearing lots of politicians in the news saying that filipinos have changed. they are now “thinking voters”. lets see the results of this coming elections if this assertion is right. if manny will win then i believe that theres something wrong with the citizens on this island
Comment by memo — 16 April 2007 #
I am disgusted the way you describe the events happened during the last fight of Manny. Instead of giving more emphasis to his achievement giving honor to Philippines and uniting the Filipinos even for single hour, your opinion seems no difference with the tune of Philippine mass media digging only the negative scope to be spread-out.
Why the word “shameless” was focus only to Manny and not to the traitors of Philippine Republic? The word shameless is so silent to describe Trillianes, Gringo Honasan etc. Hindi ba “shameless” ang kanilang ginawa na buong mundo pa ang gusto nilang makarinig declaring dissatisfaction to the government, and now they are vying as lawmakers of our constitution? How can you describe them? Are these candidates modest and deserving for our votes?
If you have not yet experience to visit the far flung barangays of Mindanao and experience the life and social-economic status of the people, don’t pre-judge Manny’s capability to run as congressman. Even Manny has less education, he has the heart who can feel the basic needs of the people of the first district of South Cotabato. Living as poor individual in the past, Manny will continue spending his time serving and entertaining the needs of his constituents instead of wasting time of reviving the Hello Garci case and impeaching GMA as what Darleen Custodio did. We have so many brilliant and master/doctorate degree lawmakers, top in the bar examination and even educated abroad but due to their superb knowledge in law, they acquired mansions in Metro Manila and enjoying the abundance of life from people’s money despite with the fact that the constituents they are representing suffered with tremendous hardship eating “1 meal a day”. Hindi ba shameless ang mga “trapos” na uuwi lang sa kanilang distrito sa panahon ng election? Dahil sa pera at family dynasty, walang magbabakasaling mag-oppose during election.
Citing an example of our congressional district in Mindanao. We have Congressman who is a lawyer and three (3) terms municipal mayor. When I viewed his accomplishments in the 13th Congress, naku po! Hindi talaga siya nakakahiya kasi most of his proposed house bill is intended to reclassify the municipal road to provincial/national road. What’s the use of being a lawyer or obtaining high educational attainment that he can’t even propose a bill uplifting the livelihood of the people? The saddest part when some barangay captains or ordinary citizen will look for congressman’s assistance, they don’t know where to go and what will happen next since the congressional staff will simply answer “let’s wait for congressman’s to approve your request or project who is now in Manila”. Diyos ko po…these are our brilliant, well-educated and honorable lawmakers spending most of their time in Metro Manila and don’t even know the priority needs of their districts.
Due to superb intelligence of our lawmakers, they promulgate laws for their own interest or to protect the interest of the groups backing his/her candidacy. Other’s are craving too much mass media photo-opps and publicity like Peter Allan Cayetano, who is a congressman and at the same time a frustrated CIA agent who aims to become senator or even president /vice president for the succeeding election.
I hope we can give fair game to the fight of Manny not only in the boxing arena but also in congressional set. Leadership can be inborn or acquired. If the people around your are satisfied and happy with your performance, that’s leadership. It’s our rights to give pros and cons of Manny’s political life but let’s wait for the final decision of the people where Manny belong. The people of the first district of Cotabato are the right person to decide who among Pacquiao or Custodio wins their heart and sympathy for congressional leadership.
Comment by Robert (Kuwait) — 16 April 2007 #
Can’t we just give him a break.I think in the constitution,any born Filipino can run for public office.And besides “masa” has been feed up with these posing intellegent politicians and their lies.Pacquia has been given money or say aid to the poor for the last 5-7 years.Without expecting for any favor.Let him..I think he wants greater recognition besides from his commercials and heroes privilages for sticking his neck out there in the ring.
Comment by Marx Christian — 17 April 2007 #
Just read Robert’s comment. I wonder how exactly Manny Pacquiao plans to “continue spending his time serving and entertaining the needs of his constituents.”
Comment by frances — 17 April 2007 #
Marx Christian, if all he wants is greater recognition, then he shouldn’t run. Public office isn’t about recognition.
Comment by Sir Martin — 17 April 2007 #
Frances, I agree. Yes, Robert. Exactly how can he do that you think? Don’t you think he’ll just end up like all the other congressmen who can’t serve their people because he’s busy doing his other job?
Comment by Sir Martin — 17 April 2007 #
we will never know that unless he’s there =)
Again, the people of Gen San will decide on that. Mr Robert’s comments say it all. In downplaying Manny, people are indirectly campaigning for Ms Darlene. Let them fight their own battle, unless you’re one of their supporters and be part of their propaganda.
Come to think of it, who’s more approachable? Who’s willing to listen to the Gen San folks? Who’s more than willing to help them? Who can help them?
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Siguro dapat ibalik ang Civil Service Examination katulad sa lumang Tsina, para masala ang may kakayahan. Syempre, di natin alam reaksyon ng ibang bansa, pero sa tingin ko, sa bansang ito kung saan ang may pinag-aralan ay nasa ibang bansa, medyo kailangan ang pagsusulit na ‘yon.
Comment by mttspiii — 18 April 2007 #
Just to clarify things, I didn’t mean that someone is spreading a propaganda or there is a propaganda. Put it in this context, during campaign period, politicians, instead of highlighting their own credentials, are pointing out their opponents’ flaws. There are other ways(words) to express dislike over someone without saying offensive words. In fairness to Ms. Darlene, she never said anything bad about Manny, and said that her track record will be the one talking for the coming election. I have read Randy David’s Why movie actors get elected and I totally agree with him. I also read The Fall of Manny Pacquiao and acknowledged the legitimate concerns of the blogger. But it is still raw to conclude something (He is unequipped, unprepared and unrealistic if he thinks…) based on the stories we heard unless we know him personally. I disagree with Eaglebird’s statement that it is unbiased, there’s no such thing as an unbiased opinion. I’m curious why the blogger wanted to scream “Go to hell”? What did Manny do shameful? It was the fan who had the flag with the words “Vote Manny Pacquiao”. It was the people around the ring that jeered (kantiyawan) “Congressman”, typical Filipino actions when having fun or in a happy mood. It is the truth when he is declared a congressional candidate, maybe Bob Arum has something to do with it. Even the COMELEC says its legal.
Only the people in Gen San should decide if they want Manny or not. I will recommend what Mr. Robert did on checking their congressman. They should look for Ms. Darlene’s track record, and compare it with Manny’s political platform. We still don’t know how Manny will fare in politics since he is not yet an elected official, only a candidate. They must weigh things, would they risk on Manny’s promises or let Ms. Darlene continue what she is doing? It’s their town. It is the 1st district of North Cotabato that will win or lose depending on the outcome. Check the posted sentiments of the people from Mindanao.
During the last presidential election, I wouldn’t vote for FPJ like most “intellectuals”. We prejudged him. But during his wake, people recalled how great he was, how he treated his co-workers and subordinates. He was well-loved by the people who knew him personally. We should understand why there are still people fighting for him until now. Well, he could have been a good leader.
Going back to Manny, let’s give him the benefit of the doubt. He is willing to stake his name here. If he wins but does not do what he promised, he will ruin his own reputation.
Comment by sonnym — 18 April 2007 #
Sonny M, no need to clarify things. I agree with you. Let us let the voters decide for themselves.
Perhaps as a disclaimer, I wrote that ’shameless’ post in white heat, but I know that’s no excuse. Don’t take my “Go to hell” comment too personally. Read my statement carefully and you’ll see it’s sarcasm. Philippine politics is a fate far worse than hell and Manny, whether or not he’s ready for it, is about to enter that world.
As for my “unequipped, unprepared, and unrealistic” comment, I am being practical. Sure he has the heart of the champion, but does he have the political will? Granted that the same can be said for many public servants but I’m focusing on Manny here. Does he know anything about governance? Perhaps yes, perhaps not. Regardless, there is a recurring pattern here and I am worried of whether he will be able to maintain the integrity of a congressman. We know that that is too difficult in this country as it is, considering all the conflicts of interest. And with all those advisers and guides to help him with his political work as he continues his boxing career? I’m not too optimistic. Plus when I read comments from him like boxing is harder than politics, I wonder how much he knows about what he’s really talking about.
Then again, that’s just me speaking from the perspective of history and politics. I hope I’m wrong, and I really wish I am. Just like you, I don’t want to lose our star boxer.
Comment by Sir Martin — 18 April 2007 #
I agree with Martin in this regard. I’d like to believe that there are a lot of other ways to serve the country outside of politics. If Manny invested his well-earned cash on other businesses which can help boost the farming industry in Gen San, he’d get his ROI in no time, secure his family’s future financially even after he retires from boxing and be able to fulfill his dream of serving his country. He can sponsor farm-to-market roads which our own national budget cannot provide. He can provide more jobs through the businesses that he can start or invest in.
I think the point that Martin is driving at here is how it would be a big shame to see such high aspirations go to waste mainly because Manny was convinced to indulge in the dirty game of politics. Again, there are a million ways to serve the Filipino people outside of politics. Gawad Kalinga isn’t politically driven but they’ve put more decent roofs over our poor countrymen’s heads that the pathetic housing projects of the government and at the same time, empower the people to strive to gain more of the blessings they’ve been given by working hard for it and protecting what they already have.
There are a lot of people who posted here who can go on and on about who’s really deserving to be in public office and who isn’t. We all know well enough that if Manny wins, it’s not mainly because of the platforms that he runs by but by his popularity as one of the best pound-for-pound boxers in the world. His influence can be put to very good use outside of politics. I say don’t run, Manny. A lot more good you can do for the country through other means.
Comment by Righteously Insane™ — 19 April 2007 #
ya’ll just leave manny alone..if he wins, that’s bcoz his town opted for him, if he doesnt thank God that not everybody in General Santos is as stupid as you all think.. and by the way, we were the ones who were waving the VOTE MANNY flag at the alamodome last week..ya’ll fags get over it ok!! mofos!
Comment by jr — 22 April 2007 #
im one of the thousands of fans of manny pacman before… but as what i noticed, nang sunod2 ang kanyang panalo seems like praises and claps of the people changed him.. thats why i cant blame my self sometimes if meron syang laro parang mas gusto ko pang matalo sya kay sa manalo para naman kahit minsan hindi sya mabulag sa kasikatan at pera. now, his running for politics,we all know naman nga he is so close to the administration so i guess that already explains everything.. for manny pacman my msg. for him, pls… for the sake of gen. san. dont let anyone use your success for their personal interest. victory in the field of sports is already a big blessings from god.. you know you cant do two things at the same time, dont be selfish.. dont be like them… for the sake of gen. san.. representing our country in the ring is already enough…i know this is not what you want.. you are just being humilated.. GOD BLESS..
Comment by MYRA — 26 April 2007 #
i don’t see anything shameful about mentioning a boxer like Pacquiao as congressional candidate while raising his hand, because he really is a candidate. what the hell is wrong with that. all you guys are self-proclaimed righteous people. we are all equal here. nobody is barred from running to office unless criminally convicted. letting anybody run to office is after all the ultimate value of democracy. you have so much opinion like you know him personally, but your myopic view is limited to what you see in tv or read in the news. you don’t know his intentions, really. there’s more that meets the eye.
we have so much laws made already. the congress may even hardly give him a chance for his privilege speech given the number of draft legislations in dockets. politics is always perception. i don’t need new laws. but if i see my guy up there in the chambers, i have my sense of security, may it be false sense, perceived or actual. you don’t take that away from the marginalized filipinos (and you don’t belong to that).
given the view of unscrupulous politicians we see in news everyday, Pacquiao is more qualified with his intentions. if we have a sense that the person governing us has pure intentions, nothing can be wrong in this country.
Comment by badoodles.wordpress.com — 26 April 2007 #
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If he wants to serve the people, just let him do it by giving away his winnings. give it to charity . He doesn’t have to run as a politician. Manny has a very low IQ. Kaya nga nagboksingero na lang gyud siya, pilay palad, di ba nakadaug siya ug by the millions pa gyud.The only way to help the poor is to give to the poor. Ikaw Manny, sus dong someday na-a kay katapat and by that time you won’t make it just like any other boxers.
Comment by bisaya gyud — 18 May 2007 #
Sir Martin and to All people who are criticizing for his candidacy as Congressman in Gen San,
Matanong ko lang “SINO KA BA PARA HUMUSGA SA KANYA?” “PANGINOON KA BA?” SI LORD HINDI NAGHUSGA SA ATIN KUNG SINO TAYO PERO IKAW ANG GALING MONG MAGHUSGA NG TAO” ALAM MO BA KUNG ANO ANG LAMAN NG PUSO OR INTENSYON SA PAG TAKBO NI MANNY PACQUIAO? WALA KANG ALAM! KAYA TIGILAN MO NA YONG PAGSUSULAT NG ARTICLE MONG EVIL OPINIONS!!!!!!!!! HUSGAHAN MO SI PACQUIAO PAG KATAPOS NG TERMINO NYA KON SAKALI MANG MANALO SYA… HINDI AKO BUTANTE NG GENSAN PERO NAAAWA LANG AKO KAY PACQUIAO SA MGA COMENT NINYO SA KANYA. BAKIT MAPAG HUSGA KANG TAO? SIGURO PRO-ANTONINO KA NO? KAYA NGA TAYONG PILIPINO HINDI UMAASENSO DAHIL SIRA-AN TAYO NANG SIRA-AN AT MAPAG HUSGA PA, PARANG KUNG SINO …BAKIT HINDI KAYA ILAGAY ANG MO SARILI SA SIDE NI PACQUIAO, YOU HAVE THE INTENTION TO HELP THE PEOPLE BUT, I WILL PREJUDGE YOU THAT YOU’RE NOT CAPABLE OF THE SAID POSITION, ANO KAYA ANG MA FEEL MO? HINDI KA KAYA MASAKTAN, YON ANG DAPAT MONG ISIP-ISIPIN “GaGo”. SA TOTOO LANG GALIT TALAGA AKO SA MAPAGHUSGANG TAO BAKIT HINDI MO KAYA HUSGAHAN YONG MGA OPOSISYON NA YAN, WALANG NAGAWA YAN GULUHIN ANG BANSA NATIN… MAYBE SA TUWING MAY LABAN SI PACQUIAO, HINDI TUMAYA KAY PACQUIAO TUMAYA KA SA KALABAN NO? KASI PARANG WALA KA TALAGANG EFFORTS NA I PRAISE SYA SA KANYANG MGA NAGAWA… SI PACQUIAO SA TUWING NANANALO DINI-DEDICATE NIYA PARA SA BANSA NATIN AT NAG SHARE PA SA PERANG NAPANALO NYA… KUNG IKAW KAYA SA SIDE NYA MAG SHARE KA KAYA? IWAN KO LANG… YON DAPAT ANG TINGNAN MO, WAG MO PALAGING TINGNAN ANG NEGATIVE SIDE… IF HE RUN FOR A CHANGE, THEN WE WILL RESPECT HIS DECISION DO NOT CRITICIZE HIS INTENTION “KAHILAS NIMO SIR!!!” IKAW SIR ANO BA ANG NAGAWA MO SA BANSA NATIN? MAGTURO KA NGA NA WALANG BAYAD PARA MAY MAGAWA KASI ANG GALING MONG COMMENT SIR… TINGNAN MO MUNA ANG SARILI MO BAGO KA MAGHUSGA NG TAO, KAYONG LAHAT!!! ANG SA AKIN LANG, IWASAN NINYONG MAGHUSGA NG TAO KASI HINDI NINYO BAKA MALI KAYO TAPOS NASASAKTAN YONG TAO… KAHIT ILAGAY NINYO NA LANG ANG INYONG SARILI PAG KAYO ANG NASA SIDE NIYA… I’M ONE OF THE FANATIC WHO BELIEVES HIM HIS SINCERITY FOR RUNNING IN THEIR PROVINCE AS CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVE. SANA MAY NATUTUNAN TAYO AT TANGGAPIN MO NA MALI KA SA MGA GINAGAWA KUNG HINDI WALA KANG KWENTANG TAO.
SORRY AT PASENSYA NA KUNG ANO MAN ANG MGA NASASABI KO!!!
WAG NA NINYONG GAWIN SA KAPWA NATING PILIPINO, IPAKITA NATIN NA KAHIT WATAK2X MAN ANG MGA PRINSIPYO BUO PARIN NATING IPAGMALAKI NA TAYONG PILIPINO AY MAGKAISA PARA SA KAPAKANAN NG LAHAT.
SALAMAT PO… ITO PO ANG INYONG LINGKOD NA TAGA CEBU … NAG COMMENT LANG SA COMMENTS NINYO SA KAPWA NINYONG KAMPEON SA BOXING…
Comment by Al — 18 May 2007 #
Comment by Bisaya Gug If he wants to serve the people, just let him do it by giving away his winnings. give it to charity . He doesn’t have to run as a politician. Manny has a very low IQ. Kaya nga nagboksingero na lang gyud siya, pilay palad, di ba nakadaug siya ug by the millions pa gyud.The only way to help the poor is to give to the poor. Ikaw Manny, sus dong someday na-a kay katapat and by that time you won’t make it just like any other boxers.
Ikaw Bay! Donot underestimate the IQ of Manny. Do you think you have also the said IQ you’ve mention. Maybe Manny donot have the IQ required for his position but, he has the heart to help people. Sabi mo bakit hindi nalang sya magbigay sa charity? Hindi lahat ng panahon magbigay/mag donate si Manny ng pera… Matanong ko nga sayo? Kung ikaw si Manny magawa mo kaya ang mga sinasabi mo? Wag mo sanang maliitin ang profession na boxing kasi yun naman din ang sport na umaangat tayo, kasi sa ibang sport wala naman talaga tayong laban sa ibang bansa… In running as Congressman, it his way of helping his kababayan in his hometown but if people was disgrace him, it’s already their misfortune. An effective leader should have heart for his kababayan… Am i correct? Sabi nila matalino daw si Antonino… Ang talino pag ginamit sa maganda ay grasya pero pag ginamit sa masama ang tawag dyan “disgrasya” kawawa tayo ninakaw ang pera natin… Sa totoo lahat na kandidato wala akong tiwala sa kanilang lahat kaya nga sa pagbuto ko ngayon pinipili ko yong ang pangalan ay hindi masyadong maingay sa Senado kasi sa lahat na mga yan “wala naman talagang dyan na hindi nagnakaw”… Nandiyan kasi ang mine ng pera…. Let’s give compliments to Pacquiao for things had had done for our country even though it’s just a small in your side but for me, it’s a big honor for country. Even foreigners praise for Pacquiao why his countrymen can’t…
Thanks.
Comment by Al — 18 May 2007 #
I’m not fighting for his candidacy, I’m only fighting for his dignity as boxing hero in this coutry. I hope know his limitations in giving comments to a certain person. May dignity din ang taong iyan kaya igalang naman din natin sila. Sabi ninyo baka ginagamit lang sila ng Palasyo… syempre kung kayo ang nasa side nya tapos presidenti ang kaharap mo, anong gagawin mo? You have to insult the president, you will behave as what Manny does… I think if Manny will win (pero talo na kasi) kung sakali lang nanalo si Manny, syempre maraming din graces na darating sa kanyang province kasi kaibigan nya kasi yong Malakanya… Anything project that he wants I’m sure ibibigay sa kanya… Just like Cebu when GMA win on this province, there were more projects were invested. Kung sino lang yung malapit sa heart nila, yung ang may maraming proyecto… jackpot ang politicians… I don’t so that Manny will steal money from taxes of people… He has already the money “Manny is not peso but a dollar earners”. Even Bob Arum was saddened by Manny’s lose in congressional election. I pray for him na sana ma accept kaagad niya ang kanyang pagkatalo. Manny expected to win over his political candidate since as he wants to help more to his kababayan. Nag nangyari kasi, dami ang nagbigay ng kanilang opinion na talagang nakakasira sa kanyang pagtakbo. Hindi nila pinagbigyan si Manny na maka pag prove sa kanyang sincerity sa pagtakbo bilang congressman… ………………. May continuation pa to pero uwi naksi ako eh… bye2x nalang …. Pasensya na talaga kong ano mga nasasabi kasi grabe din kayo… Huwag kang gumawa ng masama para sa kapwa mo kung ayaw gawin rin sa’yo ….Thanks….
Comment by Al — 18 May 2007 #
diyos ko ‘day Al…haba naman sulat mo nakakahelo basahen. Piro natumbok mo ‘day, galeng se bay Manni sa bukseng..doon lang. sana kumabet na lang siya kay darlene. Eyut lang, este eyun lang pala, sorri
Comment by toughtongue — 19 May 2007 #
Bakit single pa ba si Darlene? Maayo pa mao nay buhaton ni Pacquiao… Yeaa….Yeah….Ang saya dito masabi mo ang sabihin… wag na tayong magtalo tapos na ang laro ni Pacquiao “talo na siya”. It’s time for us to unite & support for his incoming which will take on Oct 6. Sana magkaisa na tayo para sa kanya, nakuha na ninyo ang gusto ninyo na matalo mas maganda na rin yon baka mamantsahan pa yong pangalan nya… Ngayon meron mantsa ang pangalan pero Ariel lang ang katapat (successful career pala ang pangtanggal) …
Thanks…
Comment by Al — 19 May 2007 #
manny is yayks when it comes to politics? i even heard in an ambush interview :
—reporter:what are your future plans for south cotabato if you will win as their representative? (question goes this way):)
—manny: i will not be their representative, i’m running for congressman…
“har har har…kakaawa si manny, hehehe…maybe he should also know that Barangay Chairman = KAPITAN…He should concentrate on his boxing career…Philippine politics destroys intelligence & faithfulness….
Comment by loloy — 26 May 2007 #
sir im mj a social studies student of mindanao state university – General Santos City. im just wondering why if you could help me coz im a conducting a study regarding with the perception of students in manny pacquiao’s candidacy? pls send me an email if it is ok with you..thanks and GOD BLESS
Comment by mjpp — 30 May 2007 #
i mean if you can help me in my study?
Comment by mjpp — 30 May 2007 #
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Hi Martin.
I came across this topic. It’s about 4months old. But I just feel like leaving a comment–
What is shameless with Manny Pacquiao running for office (regardless if he wins or loses)?–
a. if his perception tells him that being a congressman is the same as helping (or feeding) his fellowmen
b. if he thinks his current economic and popularity status would allow him to sustain the requirements of campaign
c. if he believes his hardships and past mistakes in life and in sports have equipped him with wisdom and strength to pursue public service
It’s all the same with a teacher, having the noble intention to help other people, the admiration of her students, equipped with life experiences and hardships (and maybe the support of some benefactors or politicians). Wouldn’t the teacher want to run for public service given the same opportunity?
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Comment by mavic — 6 November 2007 #
Sure, Mavic. But I frame my disdain for Pacquiao’s candidacy in the larger social dimension. Therein, I don’t see much difference between him and all the rest with a Messianic complex. It’s that which I find shameless, but that speaks less for Pacquiao than for the people who tend to vote that way. Of course, the tragedy there is that voting such way isn’t their fault, but that doesn’t mean I encourage it.
Comment by Sir Martz — 6 November 2007 #
pacman is my idol,, i don’t want him to run in politics. but it his decesion. if people vote him if he run president, wala siliang utak..hehehehe… 4 pacman’s best,, if he want politics he muzt start 1st the lower position then up, like his boxing,, galing sa baba hanggang pataas..^^
Comment by mark — 9 December 2008 #